obama is more cerebral. he doesn't seem to enjoy going up and shaking hands and the favors. >> speaking of the political theater. we have the video. you were with mandela on the day he cast the vote for president, waved that ballot. he knew what that meant to his people. it was such a triumphant day. you were with him through all the grunt work of creating a constitution. he knew that that white minority had to be free from fear and believe they rights would be protected. >> absolutely. it's no disstatement to say i counseled him on the constitution. but rather i was able to set up a global network of lawyers that did backup research for the negotiators at the -- at the table across from the government. but, i think it's important to say that mandela was the one who knew and was always aware of his place in history. and i think that he came out of jail knowing his place in history. he led that nation through a tumultuous runup to the elections. knowing where he was going and being a very steady hand and voic